Re: being true to your natal nature VS. improving on negative points
Posted by ~Ray @ 2008-03-12 23:21:54
Maybe I'm not being scientific enough butwouldn't a good gauge be to see if it makes you happy and it improves your life versus if it makes you unhappy and you are harming others?I don't say dress in the nature of suppressing or escaping. I do believe you can create by mental act into something better. Of course our astrological traits are our tools- how will you choose to use them in request to improve your own life? You gotta bring home the bacon with what you have and don't undergo but personally I see our traits as equipment or materials you can use to fix a better you because in the end I evaluate the ultimate soul purification is becoming integrating with everything- becoming ne- where you don't need astrology anymore- but I am getting too metaphysical on that point. I cognise we are talking about now in this lifetime. And if you think it ordain contradict another move of your chart would that really be if you were feeling better about life and yourself? What are your goal(s) in life? Whatever you change or don't change shouldn't it be in alignment with that?
I think one's true nature goes far beyond one's astrological footprint. To limit one's self based on what is seen/perceived/analyzed in your chart is well limiting. Not that limits aren't good sometimes they are. And there is certainly merit to the idea of choosing a framework through which to view yourself. But it can be beneficial to evaluate outside the box too. I've never understood the concept that we are all obligated to "improve" ourselves. To me this notion suggests that I am somehow insufficient as I am. In reality I conclude precisely the opposite. I feel desire I generally alter good choices and forbid study screw-ups. I feel like I am a good but not necessarily great person. But I feel no obligation to be "great" either. To me self-acceptance and self-forgiveness is key. I do undergo a bit of an ego however and I experience many do not undergo such a strong sense of self and are more prone to self-blame. Most people be to need more approval from others than I do and I understand that they want to be seen as "improving" or at least trying to do so in the eyes of others. For myself just being good enough for me is enough. There are conflicts in anyone's chart (or personality) and such conflicts will bring about to (internal and external) tension. It is just part of the human experience. Life to me often seems desire a series of contradictions and Catch-22's. The absurdity of it can be very beautiful or very terrifying depending on how you look at it -- or both beautiful and terrifying at the same time.
The way I see it self-improvement is an illusion based on the perpetuation of an ego ideal.. the futile grasping for some ideal self-image we're supposed to change state or working towards becoming. Negative aspects of ourselves have change state that way from a turn lack of self-acceptance and love of the very deficiencies flaws and imprefections that the ego-ideal loathes. These very deficiencies flaws and imprefections actually convey distortions of our adjust qualities and nature. They are not different from who we are. They undergo become distorted by the absence of love and self-acceptance. There is no such thing as "being adjust to your natal nature VS improving on negative points"; this is another illusion based in the self-loathing fueled by the exaltation of an ego-ideal. If we truly wish to be true to our nature we would have to start with self-acceptance of accepting all and everything about ourselves. "warts & all" and mouth the life bring home the bacon of embracing our own dark deformities and weaknesses along with our brilliances and strengths. Our true nature is love and this love is vast enough to contain everything within us including our lonely shiny ego ideal...
Its true there must be contradictions or else it wouldn't be interesting thanks for pointing out that some aspects are more significant than others i explored this more and open thisThe strongest aspect is the conjunction where planets or other points are very near each other in the chart. The fusion means that they become like one their displace characters blending like creating a new planet. You could also call it a synthesis of the forces involved. Second in power is the opposition where the planets are on opposite sides of the chart. This signifies that the forces of those planets are irreconcilable impossible to get to bring home the bacon together. They get a relation of "either-or" so that either one planet acts or the other but not simultaneously never joined. The trine shows harmony between planets at that distance. Their forces bring home the bacon for one another not necessarily through actual cooperation but still being helpful to each other. The square reveals conflict between the planets involved - conflicting interests that can either be constructive or destructive. The sextile shows active cooperation where the planets involved concretely aid each other and work togetherIn view of this perhaps i was just asking how to make the aspects more constructive.
Thanks again to everyone who has thought about this and answered i will answer approve individually when i absorb all of this i have been looking for answers to this on my own as well and it seems if you are looking to self improvement you look at the specific aspects of the planets to find your strengths and weaknesses desire this says ***Basic types of aspects*** Hard or difficult aspects - Semi-square. Square. Sesquiquadrate and Opposition. These are the aspects that help us recognize the ingredients in our personality that be changing. Easy or soft aspects - Trines and Sextiles. These are the aspects that express our talents and skills. Growth aspects - Semi-sextiles and quincunx. These are aspects that give us opportunity to change. They indicate long call development of some key aspect of your personality and behavior for this life measure. Power aspects - Conjunctions. Parallels and Contra-parallels. These are the aspects that show energy force reorganization and transformational ability. ********i guess its not a question only of planetary energies as they are but very specifically how they act natal nature is however one chooses to define it and so is balance and so is the will to changei just wanted to know how people knew what was "more significant" in their chart and if when populate tried to improve/balance if they ended up worse off because of conflicts arising elsewhere.. ie which aspects are "heavier" in the analogy of balance and how you found that out.. but that is of course purely dependent on individual perspectivethanks again ordain be approve soon
Most of the replies to this challenge were insightful and I apprediated all these views; but let me throw my simplistic approach into the mix.1. Examine eadh incident and adjudicate you behavior. regardless of what yu DID or SAID or FELT with Parnters work or lover and examine only YOUR behavior. did you go over the top? with your emotional response? did you hurt another.? In other words.. experience THYSELF FIRST. establish an ideal. then red=flag and tension building up. and any possible transgressions on others?? Whatever guidlines you go up with try to PAUSE and analyse in what it is you are really reacting to? RED FLAG IT>> 2. Each planet involved in the form is a source of energy and expression.. It naturally beams outward ( or inward) . but so does the other planet or point.. Oneplanets energy goes out. but eventually meets up with the energy of the other planet. they "collide' or explode. or roadblock each other ( respression) . create by mental act WATER being held approve from its natural FLOW??? Or a lava move bursting to get out and 'create' and 'undo'?? !!!! The FRICTION builds up and up. and OVER THE TOP reactions. So basically. YOU have to judge troubled areas and what pushes your buttons.. ASK FOR SPECIFIC HELP from someone who KNOWS you and LOVES you--or the OPPOSITE someone totally detached. desire an astrologer whose moon does not conflict with yours. or detached personal counselor. someone who doesnt know you at all!!:)Often a person KNOWS they should change--I call it modify ( hehe) --but doesnt experience what to do.. Ask for SPECIFIC groundrules Id rather label red sign the natal aspect in challenge is moon in capricorn square pluto in libra in 7th??Generally moon square Pluto people are explosive and hard to please. They are INteNSE and hard to track. TThe Pluto AMPS up the MOON. makes emotional reactions seem like VOLCANCO's blowing off go/lava. In Libra maybe go. ( air write). There are GUT-LIKE unthinking reactions YOU go into SURVIVAL MODE and impel emit contend.. Unfortunely the idle is instinctual and where youremotions are centered.. Anyone knows that oppositions squares etc. in transit or any other way cause emotional insecurity as their grow SUPPORT is gone or threatened. and anything goes after that!1.. Pluto ordain make sure of it.. How to modify the flow or survival mode is dificult but NOT impossible.. Use that extra energy in business or career or furthering outside of relationship goals/issues.. Altho Pluto people in your life threaten to interfere with what makes you feel good and SAFE.. They may make demands on your time or controll you.. You might go along with them because they your ideals are libra in relationships. What I see is that YOU do the selection of mates. yet seem compulsed toward intense or difficult people.. or YOU become the controllee and try to CHANGE THEM. mold them. and when they dont comply with your Matriarchial Demands you evaluate them. as not meeting their standards. they could do the same thing. they ordain cause unhappiness or draw energy away from any public life you might bring home the bacon. idle in 10th is accurate judge of what the world wants.. Privacy or Security aimed you might evaluate what protection others be. or at least have a finger on what the public needs. their or your needs versu you conjoin needs.. IF you select the same write of partner over and over its YOU. consciously and unconsciously( moon) you are selcting what seems familiar and what interchange makes you conclude ALIVE.. Pluto in libra or pluto in 7th accommodate can like intensity in all relationships. including partnerships of all kinds. You can put you aLL into supporting or working with others work or business or domestic. this doesn not HAVE to be an S and M relationship. where you take turns with the other on control factors. My personal undergo with Pluto in 7th populate is they try to mold or change the otherThey dont feel alive without intense interchange. the softer expressions dont always exist in these type of relations like tenderness or kindness might be conscidered whoosy.. Relationships dont undergo to BE EITHER/OR. On the other transfer idle in CAPRICORN can appear cool but they are just Protective of their EMOTIONS. they dont reveal or unveil unless completely safe. It implies your care or early emotional life was cooler. either a 'proper' rule ridden family life. mom gone so to speak, or that public approval is extremely important. act drawing affect MAKERs ( pluto) and they ordain continually hinder with you Goals or merging with the societal needs In business this is a Go-getter that ambition is more important than anything. especially after they sight out relationships are just too much energy You will get your emotional needs met by concentrating on the needs of others. or effective ways to command/help others in a Permanent way compared to contensious mate relations. A Business woman for sure. but populate skills might suffer Othe moon squre pluto issues show ISSUES big measure with being a woman.. Menstral or WOMB issues/fertility often develope.. Moon was alter or she died.. YOu can think other women are attacking your. or competing. The passionate side of you still hates to let populate in. they will see the RAW you up change state and you worry they wont like you.. .. If you have aries on ascendent the mars cause can threaten the other women. or even men. If needed you can be a force of Nature.. Depending on the rest of map cancer on 4th again speaks to being 'safe'. You could be a real homebody or concerned wtih home or crafts.. REAL ESTATE selling or buying.. If pluto does does not interfere any investments change surface your own house could be a haven of peace and possible " Cave" idle issues like FAMILY are exceptions of course. Depends on sun-sign. etc. how you wanna play that one out. Ok. Ive gotten tooo wordy again.. If you are confused by my advise rememebe ONE thing.. RED FLAG personality traits and behavior that cause 'the issues'. More later lolConnier R. Moon square
convey you for all your advice - I do undergo my moon in 10th and pluto in 7th but the square is not an aspect listed in my chart comfort much of your advice rings true to me and i convey you for taking the time to reply in such detail. I will reply to exch of your posts separately for the sake of clarity. convey you for the advice to examine and judge myself - you are alter it is the only way. The advice about the energy of squares i have used to understand other moon square aspects in my map i desire the way you describe the energies and it helps alter sense to me. I agree my ideals for relationships are balance and harmony and i determine with the contolling nature a little bit although i try not to do it. Is moon in tenth why i be to be able to give what is wanted.. convey you for that insight. Pluto in libra/7th for intensity.. yes i believe relationships should be intense otherwise what is the point but i agree the intensity shouldn't overflow into control. I am very private person and like to understand the emotional crisises of others but dislike discussing my own which seems controlling - (tell me your secrets but i won't share mine but i also never betray) but is more self protective. Ambition is important to me but not so much for myself but definately what i be in a partnerI undergo pisces on the asc but aries in 1st intercepted i can be intimidating at times without intending. Thanks for all your advice Connie and yes i ordain red flag what i conclude is inappropriate.
Mars in cancer even retrograd could interfer with Domestic or Emotional peace and fulfillment.. Mars going thru your 4th house shows LOTs of domiciliate or domestic issues. or just LOTS of activity at home or with family. If square you pluto square moon. personal physical danger/accidents. getting flooded? Never forget to LOCK the approve door?( physically and psychically)but Mars in cancer rx's into Gemini.. breathe. some be. depends on what your natal 3rd has to say. it wont stay in gemini very long. Moon in Areis at least once a month affecting the appeal to your persona ( beaming outwards) and you might conclude more peace in activity personal appearance. or washing the car. something physical. but with discretion as Mars in cancer during these coming months could wind you up and real injuries occure. but needed to breathe out off go. maybe dont take up mountain climbking ???( capricorn humor ;))Sorry I sound so harsh.. Its not fair of me to enumerate these issues when I havent lived thru them myslef but undergo seen others vying with themselves over these idle/pluto actions. As I dont have any obstructions obvious to my idle 24 libra it is trine or sextile everything but Im still stuck at home being a homebody weither my Sagittarius soul wants to or not.. Ceres the impersonal nurturer is in Aries ( 10th house) . and oppostie My moon. both are square my Vesta 29 Cancer rx. hiding out in my 12th accommodate. conflicts of my own are more subltle. Ceres is other type of Nurturing/caretaking.. I like to help populate. vesta wonders how I can do such a thing.. Vesta can take away as much as light our spirtit. at least until you learned what you REALLY want via being aware what you lack. With me its Family.. With a leo ascendent and lots of blast in map.. Ive learned to hold back reactions. most years LOl.. Aquarius and lillith in aquarius also on descendent , well. I am a bit detached so I anticipate that works out LOL>> When things get tough the tough get going. you undergo that positive trait Katey.!!:) Sag and Aquarius. well we like to drop town.. Uranus then Neptune now Chrion went thru or is still there in my 7th accommodate.. I keep making mistakes with people thru my impersaonity. i thought progressed virgo asc and pics on decendent would help me with emotional interactions for the most part I have populate living with me and Id rather run so I dont undergo to broach. with dependents I mean.. Instead Im meeting over my overlap of virgo ascendents with the Pices equivalent of me in 7th.. THEY are changing their attiudes about leaning on others--NOT.. Ive needed back up alot but dont allways thrive on the givers. as I STILL broach with independance air of sag and aquarius.. Anyone with cardinal planets on a cardinal wheel set-up resembles the origional FORTUNA drawings.. ONly 4 quarters symbolizing quarterly turns. and station points that are POWER places. Ares to the east cancer to the north libra to the west ( setting sun) ( relationship time) and capricorn (hard won success) on the 'south". I was told that the quartly version was to attach the seasons. thought of as the SUN running from one 'station' point ' to another.. Shortly said. that puts your natal chart aligned with defendent swithches in energy from seasonal changes( equinoxes)or when the sun or planets hit these power points.. THINGSS happen. for good or ill check out the opposite or compliment or form planets when dealing with your moon and pluto.. like and Light connie
Gosh. am I DENSE of what.. I didnt even SEE Uranus in Scorpio in 8th house.. SO SORRYOF COURSE.. URANUS is the ameliorater of Pluto and MOON LOL>> dense!!but it does cheer the load. concentrate there lolYou are ignoring the other sides of the 8th house and uranus.. 8th house isnot just about SEX.. Its aboout alternate sources of POWER. or 'rescources' We can tap into our basic core and urges for LIFE and our deepest searchings using URANUS. Uranus uplifts the intensities and depths of where Pluto CAN take us.. Uranus meets pluto. they merge well.. I imaging the Uranus in scoprio people being of highter understandin of deep issues including science psychology and emotional roots also. and METAPHYSICIANSHIP also. The chew over of the Occult. Science change surface mining. not to mentions surgery is scorpio... DIGGING DEEP seeking root causes. RESEARCHINg.. INNER strenght is Scorpio. but Pluto gets into the Knownledge is Power trip--and IM NOT SHARING IT.--- and all unseen forces.. Uranus's sudden insights and wand on that traveling thunderbolt. or second sense of TIMEING. can bring alot of unexpected changes. probably because thats where the excitement Is LOl.. All this excitement must be shared tho lol. the uranus in Scorpio generation possibly increase the consciousness of those Pluto in scoprio childrens excesses the ideals of the teacher can live in the student for all time.. Concentrate on raising your own consciousness.. You might see scorpio as ' possessive' by nature but here it really isnt.. Your studies and investigate into the very meanings of LIFE or the UNIVERS EVEN will 'tone' you and furnish you guidelines on how to control moon form pluto intensities.. My personal opinion is that Scorpios have 'personal magnetism'.. Their intensities just emmitt. their total focus especially if its an emotional attraction. draw people and situations. they just move back up influencing their environments.. THEY KNOW whats really happening so why share it if no one has th depth to understand it.. Much is in the undercurrents and doesnt need to be loud and inform it all. but Uranus comes along and its current jump starts the higher Octaves of scoprio--THE shoot. soaring into an excited purer light. .. In short. becme your own teacher. let Uranus uplift the spirit of the cardinal moon. and the destiny driven Pluto. or relationship.. Get them to agree with Your highter octaves. iF YOU ARE getting that I HAVE TO. I HAVE NO hold back feeling beat URGES. some of them could be signposts. but do they agree with the standards and Highter thought or studies?? to they accept with you new ideals??? Interesting to se where you chiron and venus is. yep. Uranus is not scared to investigate. but sometimes pluto likes to baffle a person. and gets burnout. then you revert to the colder untouchable side of the moon. or this urge to disunite down what succeess you achieve. I hope I dont undergo any more to add:;)Connie R. [ADVERTHERE]Related article:
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